The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. Descriptions point out clearly defined points that should be noted. The smaller Sharks were issued to Navy and Army Air Corps pilots as a bailout knife. 5683 L75: The Camillus Mark 1 prototype reference piece. I actually have 2-3 more, but that one I'm particularly partial to. So both of mine in the first post are wartime? Presuming the knife and scabbard were issued together (and it is quite likely that they were), you can date this knife to 1944. by glennbad Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:44 am, Post It is marked U.S.N over MARK I. On the blade -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex : PAL USM3, 3rd Type marking (1944) : The guard was a little wider than the one on the World War II knife. Synthetic Staglon have no cracks or chips. We find some manufactures where the pommel is pinned with two through nails. spacer arrangements. Late 1944 production through till contracts were completed or cancelled in 1945, you find those knives more alike or much more similar characteristics. Of course, they were sharp and most of them are older than us, but that doesnt mean we lost interest. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). In any case, for these 5 types of markings, the pommel plate (end cap/butt cap/pommel) must be struck with the flaming bomb (flaming bomb / ordnance bomb), the symbol of the Ordnance corp. Made of leather reinforced with metal parts (plates + clips). These items This camp knife has "High Carbon Steel" on the tang stamp. Made to cut overhead upside Our tactical knives include a range of folding, fixed blade and neck . The guard is double quillons, one of which is bent forward to allow thumb rest . In the end, it proved to be a logistical nightmare, however, Robeson did make the switch. Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. Some military knivesnot just the 225Qwere stamped very lightly, while others were deeply stamped. knife that was adopted. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. To make things more simple, the initial production of the 5-inch hunting knives were bright blades for most all contractors. S-5382 Half guard prototype with scaler back and 3 small I also personally packed these knives up CONDITION MUST LQQK. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright document.write(new Date().getFullYear()); Caribou Media Group | All rights reserved. The pommel screw in the middle looks to be steel, but nut is brass. Although the regulation number of grooves is 8, it is not uncommon to see models with 5, 6 or 7 grooves. This exact knife is pictured on page 103 of Mike Silvey's WWII Book.. . As with any military knife, be careful not to fall victim to the opinions of so-called experts, especially when they attribute particular knives to units like the Devils Brigade, Commandos, OSS, Underwater Demolition Team, etc. head pommel. This is an Official Boy Scouts of America knife made by Camillus here in the USA. The new design that was adopted was the 6 inch JPK. b r /; trademarked as KA-BAR) is the contemporary popular name for the combat knife first adopted by the United States Marine Corps in November 1942 as the 1219C2 combat knife (later designated the USMC Mark 2 combat knife or Knife, Fighting Utility), and subsequently adopted by the United States Navy as the U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2. Like every other knife Ive dated, the Camillus knives are challenging in their way. They were also overridden by poor management decisions, culminating in a six-month workers strike in 2007. 3-line; non-italic fonts; short underline, 3-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.), 3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italics. The manufacturers of the M6 scabbard: Boarwood, Milsco, Moose, Sbl co, Viner Bros. Is This Mk2 USMC Camillus Fighting Knife WW2 Period? Camillus Sizzle Folding Knife. Never used or Vintage Camillus U.S.A. We urge you to upload additional pictures to this gallery if you have some! Some of these washers have a smaller diameter in order to form grooves to facilitate gripping. hunting knives from parts on hand. with their design. It ius very similar to other Camillus tang stamps, so be carefull to note the details. A knife for sale on Frank Trzaska's site shows a sheath with the same care instructions stamped into it, with the knife keeper in a different location. Find out more below. One of the things the U.S. Armed Forces learned in Vietnam was the importance of guarding against mold and insectsleather handles had deteriorated quickly in the jungle. Charlie I happen to agree with your take here. Only the same "Camillus N.Y." markings, either on the normally found pile or reverse side of the blade, or stamped on the Name side or front of the knife. ULSTER TL-29 Pocket Knife Rosewood Handles Tool Lineman's . Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. Well Camillus didn't start making these knives with this marking until 1974 so The line is shorter on this one than others that extend the full length of the word "Camillus". The Mark 2 sheath began to enter service in early 1944 and the marking changed to the guard prior to 1945, so the only time they could have been issued together was 1944. St Louis with Indian Trail grooved bone and large rivets. I have noticed in other photos of the PSK the guard is straight. Here's the one my dad carried when he was in EOD. The lower leg/quillon was marked on the front with a capital M in a circle over the number 4. The new design M3 weighed 9 ounces finished. Save my name and email to use for future comments. J5 Forest King etched with prototype J-5 on the blade. Thank you zzyzzogeton you are very helpful. surely wasn't in Vietnam unless it was with a tourist. Woolworths, S3388: When the Marines formed the ParaMarines they needed a FYI, in case your interested, the Government specification sheath for this knife is still available. The knife company was resurrected in 2009, and they continue to use the last tang stamp till today. Blades have light scratches but have not been heavily used or sharpened. While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, Bushman and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. After more than two decades (1897) in this business, importation costs for the knives were getting higher and wiping out Adolphs profits. joined the originals, now we have all that were present at the time of the The similarities to Mark I knives are obvious, but they were procured and manufactured under different contracts and specifications. Dixon Cutlery Co. Kastor France 12" Kitchen Knife With Crown Used 100 Years Plus, Vintage CAMILLUS SWORD BRAND, HANDMADE, #89, Slant Bolsters, Etched, JUMBO STOCKMAN'S, High Carbon Steel Camp Knife with Sta-Sharp etch, CAMILLUS NEW YORK U.S.A. MADE #886 NAHC LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP LOCKBACK POCKET KNIFE & LEATHER SHEATH, Camillus Scout/Utility 4 line tang stamp, Made In USA Scout/Utility Knife Blonde Rogers Bone, Camillus New York Delrin Scout Knife Model # 99, Kutmaster Utica Ny Delrin Handle Stockman, CAMILLUS N.Y. USA Bird & Trout knife #1006, CAMILLUS VINTAGE 1979 USA MADE US MILITARY ISSUE MULTI-TOOL STAINLESS STEEL VERY NICE SURVIVAL KNIFE, Vintage Camillus 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife w/ Riders of the Silver Screen Handles -Red Ryder -NIB, Vintage Camillus 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife w/ Riders of the Silver Screen Handles -Roy Rogers -NOS, VINTAGE CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 89 STOCKMAN CATTLEMANS FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD, CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA TL29 TL 29 ELECTRICIANS LOCKBACK FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD VINTAGE, CAMCO USA TL29 TL-29 ELECTRICIANS BAREHEAD LOCKBACK FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD VINTAGE CAMILLUS, Camillus 1988 Brown Bone Jumbo Trapper Made for the NKCA, VINTAGE SWORD BRAND CAMILLUS CUTLERY CO PEARL FOLDING POCKET EQUAL END PEN JACK KNIFE KNIVES OLD, VINTAGE CAMILLUS NY USN MARK 2 MK2 NAVY FIGHTING BOWIE KNIFE KNIVES OLD SHEATH NORD 6581 WW2 WWII, Made in USA (Camillus knife) Bone Peanut knife, Camillus USA Safari Series CSS-1 Cape Buffalo Cocobolo Knife in Box, Camillus NY USA CCC-4 Bone Classic Cartridge Bone .257 ROBERTS Banana Trapper Knife in Box, Camillus NY USA CCC-2 Bone Classic Cartridge 30-30 WIN Knife in Box, Camillus NY USA CCC-1 Bone Classic Cartridge 45-70 Gov't. Its width is 21.8mm (21.8mm) and thickness is 4.5mm (4.5mm). In New York City. If you can find old knife catalogs, theyre one of the best ways to date and identify your Camillus knives. Camillus stagged bone grips with brass pins. By I've heard arguments on both sides, but as of yet I'd be uncomfortable moving the positions beyond the level of opinion. A similar issue occurs when dating the Kinfolks knife, but the chances of that error are slim. It's an American made Camillus single blade jack with stagalon scales. Omaha was defaced to prevent identification. #3 Speak with Knife Collectors and Dealers. Did you recently find a Camillus knife, and youd like to know what era it came from? bone and 1466 dozen made in stagged Rosewood. Adolph Kastor immigrated to the U.S.A. when he was 14 and worked in his uncles hardware company. The first three lines are virtually identical, but the fourth has an added bonus in that it sports the the year of manufacture alongside the U.S.A. S1408: This is a prototype Camillus sent in to alter the Case (W.R. Case & sounds) --> 300,465 pieces, If you are interested in the Camillus M4 Featuring a 5-to-5.25-inch flat-ground blade, the Mark 1 utility knife was adopted by the Navy as a survival-type knife with sheath. It is marked just U.S.N. In 1902, Adolph Kastor, a powerhouse of a leader, bought Camillus and the company grew quickly. 1937. It ius very similar to other Camillus tang stamps, so be carefull to note the details. Fortunately for us, Camillus changed their stamps enough to map each one to different periods. We place the WW II era The next change was in August 1961, reducing the length of the blade to 5 inches. brass rivets, Another Kent with stagged bone and small brass domed Wouldn't mind running across one of these to compare to my two examples. #6. Here is a very nice hardlyused if at all, vintage 1979 Camillus U.S.A. made military issue Multi-Tool 4 blade survival knife with the following tools, knife blade with the original Vintage Camillus, New York (Heavy Duty, not cheap novilty quality, but real good quality) 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife (CM8005) TANG STAMPS: CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 89 . $149.99. This happens in so many cases, utilizing the already fabricated material until exhausted then make the change. in the handle grip from the looks of it. If I am honest, theyre not the only ones to make this mistake. I have seen them mostly associated with the Air Force. Thank you KLJ77. This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1960 to the late 1970s. Many were marked for year of manufacture on the pommel nut, but some were not. The purpose of this post is to list a few of the variations found in one of the most widely distributed pocketknives in the last century: the Camillus electrician-pattern knife as issued to the U.S. armed forces and other agencies. Imperial (Imperial Knife co.) --> 854 015 pieces, 76, #4). pins marked Kent, As above with different tang markings, still a Kent. Heavily used Camillus hunter, possible returned to the The Mark I probably the World War II military knife encountered most in the marketplace. Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". Slight issue with tip TANG STAMPS: CRAFTSMAN FORGED STEEL . The M3 was later replaced by the M4 bayonet for the US M1 rifle. Sword Brand Stockman 78 NIB, Camillus U.S.A. Its blade is double-edged and has a length of 170mm (6 11/16 inches). scabbard marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a current reproduction by glennbad Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:59 am, Post Go to their site and select the brand name Ontario, (they are the current supplier for these knives), on that page select sheaths, the one your looking for is on the second page, its marked to fit the model 499 knife, (Ontario's part number). Among the "bright" finished knives you will find a variance. There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife), Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor. Sword Brand Stockman 78. The bit telltale difference is the sharpened false About as plain as you can get, this is a prototype paring This sample made 1939. USMC Raider reproduction with fine pewter handle. and special units so many time we almost gave up the argument on the subject. is the only one that survived the Marines. Can't recall seeing. 5665: Early 12/29/1939 prototype of the new Camillus design We see this one constantly on sale as a "Vietnam Throughout the Vietnam War, Camillus produced the GI four-blade utility knife, the pilot survival knife andthe U.S. Marine Corps 7-inch Mark II., (Authors note: Camillus had developed the Mark II during World War II, and made more Mark IIs than anyone else, though the Marines stillcalled the Camillus-designed Mark II knife the Ka-Bar.). Silvey in United States Military Knives 1941-1991 again shows the Camillus as a Mark 1 in a USN Mark 1 sheath (which I think might be possible as it is certainly a better sheath in terms of durability and may have been swapped out by an air crewman in the 50s). The spear blade has an etch that says "Sta-Sharp" over "Chrome Plated". Knife has been used, carried, and resharpened and has loads of patina, but still has a lot of useful life left in it. Your dad's pilots survival knife looks like it's in excellent condition. Camillus WW2 Military Rope Knife 5 out of 5 stars (97) $ 50.00. It would use the current fiberglass M8A1 sheath, the same sheath in issue for the M7 bayonet. She found the knife with the only identifying marks showing " Cammilus New York USA". Like most every enduring knife manufacturer, Camillus used several different tang stamps to mark its knives. the Army needed one as well to replace the M2 pocket knife. We offer a wide range of products, including pocket knives, folding knives, kitchen knives, hunting knives, wood carving knives, and multi-tools. The company continued to do well during the 20s and 30s. Vietnam War Era US Camillus Fighting Knife - . Some shady knife enthusiasts might want to get the knife from you at a steal price or in a swap deal for something else. The company was founded by Charles Sherwood in 1876 and became a good candidate for buying when the Dingley Tariff Act, which greatly raised the import duty on knives, was enacted in 1897. Most had blued blades, though some were polished. Camillus Marine Combat Knife: History | BladeForums.com $39.00. A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel A few members here have posted examples of that knife with the typical Camillus Mark 1 hilt and the fullered blade normally associated with the 5 inch pilots knife, but yes they don't show up too often. Important note : As the fiber sheaths are quite fragile (we see them quite often with the broken end), the M8 A1 was modified after the war. I know what I have and I got a good history lesson, Copyright 2004-2023 allaboutpocketknives.com, AAPK Tips and Tricks -- An Illustrated FAQ Forum on Steriods, Knife Lore - Traditional Knives From the Old Days, Cattaraugus Cutlery Collector's Forum, Great Eastern Cutlery (GEC) Collector's Forum, Robeson Cutlery Company Collector's Forum, Schatt & Morgan Knife Collector's Forum, Knife Related Creation, Modification, And Restoration Forums. Yes the Vietnam War lasted until 1975 but the majority of US combat It is knives like these that make some people on the outside question why Case knives are so expensive when they are just a great value for their money. Going into 1944, treatment of the blades became more prevalent in the manufacture. It was held in place with a steel washer pinned to the tang. The blades have not been used or resharpened and Vintage Camco (Camillus) USA 2 Blade Jack Knife "Albany Felt Company"1960 - 1970 1997 Camillus Brown Bone Folding Hunter Made for the NKCA No Box, Never Carried , Has Factory Edge Nice Brown Bone with no Chips or Cracks Nickel Silver Bolsters For you nostalgia buffs, here's a good one to add to your collection. Price $15,000.00, #5665 L66: This is the prototype for the WW II Army Air This is a Camillus made Western Brand Texas Ranger Commemorative stockman. ONE CAMILLUS 1960 US Military Survival Pocket Knife . 5665: Early 12/29/1939 prototype of the new Camillus design hunting knife. Camillus Us Knife In Original Vietnam War Edged Weapons This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1989 up until its bankruptcy in 2007. The handle diameter was larger (1.2 inches wide) and had a pinned-on stepped pommel 1.35 inches wide. Did your Camillus knife go to the war? There are many variables to take into consideration and a general genealogy of dating can be made with Mark 1 knives. Any Carried in Vietnam we doubt it. Instead, he sought out a smaller cutlery brand in Camillus and joined the management team. Kinfolks (Kinfolks inc.) --> 135,548 pieces, VINTAGE CRAFTSMAN FORGED STEEL SCOUTS SCOUT CAMP SURVIVAL FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD CAMILLUS? In my estimation I would not include the Camillus 5 inch blades with fullers in a discussion about Navy Mark I knives. Since Camillus is highlighted here, the bright blades were the initial production knives. Guards were double steel, the very rare brass or plastic like the pommels. sactroop- Just noticed the lower Camillus above the stamped sheath has a very well defined, scooped out fuller. Camillus Knives for Sale at AAPK - All About Pocket Knives Camillus Design Partners Knives, machetes and tools designed by the best in the business. Camillus Collectable Vintage Folding Knives - eBay piece, they were never made in WW II. A German himself, and having spent enough time in the U.S.A. to know the market landscape, this business venture was not difficult for him. by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:33 am, Post 5684 L77A: Camillus tried to talk Naval Ordnance into using 2. You are using an out of date browser. Many people think this was when Adolph founded the Camillus knife company, but that is not so. I believe this stamp to have been used on knives manufactured from 1916 to the early 1930s.
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